GROSS: OK. I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. She was going to school. I never wouldve thought that before, but now I know its true. I had no problem taking direction, but and I had no problem helping when I needed to help, so. It was love at first listen. A person having a miscarriage may have to fly to another state, just so they or their doctor doesnt get into legal trouble. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. SHIRES: Sure. In 2019, she founded a country music supergroup called The Highwomen alongside Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid- feeling fine but well have to cancel the next few shows (Asheville, Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre, and Wilmington). When the ball goes in the pocket, you win. Writing songs isnt so cut and dried, he says. And that, to me, was incredible, because they had abortions in what was a pre-Roe v. Wade environment and theyre only now sharing their stories for the first time. But his voice is much stronger and clearer than it was in the Truckers. Amanda Shires' To the Sunset comes out Aug. 3. And it was a picture of hands holding on to nothing. And I was like, thats what I want to do, because you play this song. Trending See where your favorite artists and songs rank on the Rolling Stone Charts. Lawrence Rothman has been a model of self accepting themselves. And he was there for 25 years. And then my orchestra teacher recommended me to a private violin teacher. Its pretty obvious.. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. SHIRES: Oh, yeah. And I said, Id love to. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. And Id sit on his porch. But I thought, what am I going to do about that, in the event that she does go into country music? You know, its Jimmy Webbs song originally, but. Why did you want to form this group? They might not have had a voice before or might have been cast out into the streets without any place to sleep had they mentioned it earlier in their lives. And even on the charts, theres one spot usually I think in 2016, there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. And I was really into that.. Along For those who are unfamiliar, it is impossible for an ectopic pregnancy to go to term. Im Terry Gross. credit: John Shearer. I like the way these lines kind of happened in our lives and like tributaries in a way that we dont realize are happening. Elizaveta Porodina/Courtesy of the artist, Naming The Beast: Jason Isbell And Amanda Shires On Speaking Up In 2017. I was learning orchestra and classical music in school and privately. But they took me seriously, but they also knew the seriousness and the impact of the help that they were giving me. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. Like, dont cry; dont show your emotions; be stoic; be strong; everything else is weakness. (Playing guitar, singing) Like a common loon, I started hearing birds, birdsong everywhere. Her new album is called Take It Like A Man.. It could be something you played. Yeah without you asking. Youve been very outspoken about the right to have an abortion. The spurs of hip bones Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR. But a lot of times when youre growing up and taught what how to be successful and how to be to survive in the world as a woman with a career and all this stuff and probably young many young kids are taught this. Oh, I could have crowed. So its probably important to stay alive before you start questioning your liberty.. After Isbell announced last week that he would require enhanced Covid countermeasures at his show in Austin, Texas, singer-songwriter Marc Broussard took to Twitter to lash out at Isbell, calling him bourgeois and elitist. Broussard asserted, Some working-class fans cant afford the risks associated with either the vaccines or even getting a test, adding, Id rather quit music than become a pawn in the pressure campaign. He did not provide any evidence of the risks he claimed were associated with getting the jab or receiving a test. Victoria is scheduled to open for Isbell on this tour. And I said, yes, Id love to. And thats when the fertilized egg stays in the fallopian tube. He could still leave it dish in the sink, you know? I would like to challenge other folks who have platforms to actually use them. Im your Amanda. And then in my mind I thought, well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? Chris Tompkins, a high school friend who has co-written mainstream country hits including Carrie Underwoods Before He Cheats and Florida Georgia Lines Get Your Shine On, says Isbell seemed on a different level even back when they were covering Stairway to Heaven together. I had to spend the night with her at work. SHIRES: I mean OK Im going to call her up after this, too. Theyre just, you know, scans of them. And Frankie and Lanny, my teachers we were at Lannys house the first time Tommy came over, and then, I met him. Also, during this time when I was leaving, I was thinking about how Mercy was you know, picked up a kazoo, and she could play a kazoo. That last talk left me a makeup rainbow of tears, turned everything blurry. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. Click the audio link above to get the full experience, On channeling her feelings about her marriage into writing Fault Lines and showing it to Isbell, I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering, and this is after some kind of nebulous argument, and I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine, I said, I just wrote this song. And then in my mind I thought, Well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) Three months after an emergency heart transplant, Grammy-nominated keyboardist, producer, songwriter and artist Peter Levin With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, 825 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY 10019, WNET is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. You could say its all my fault. Amanda Shires. But I think folks forget that access to abortion and reproductive healthcare is not just about terminating unwanted pregnancy. Bergen is a reporter for Bloomberg Businessweek. And then more recently, just about a year ago, in August of 2021, you had an ectopic pregnancy. We have Olivia Rodrigo and Phoebe Bridgers speaking up, and Ariana Grande. GROSS: Thats the title song from the new album. But if you dont, youre going to be wondering, What didnt I do? You may opt-out by, U.S. And when I would write these songs, it was never in my mind, oh, I have to record them. Where the fuck are the rest of them? SHIRES: I didnt know I was going to work it into a song until I got to the to writing it. I like to play pool, he says. So since they are personal songs, you had to decide to say that. And he said, try playing this one. And all I could think to say/Was everythings going to be OK/Its gonna be all right/Im on your side, he sings. The election is November 8. And as it happened, eventually the auxiliary cable quit working in the van. So thanks to them as well. "Last night you walked me to my car / You said, 'You won't be getting far before you turn around,'" she sings, her phrasing seesawing and scampering. I had people threatening me. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. And he said, well, you can always put it on there and just choose not to answer questions about it and, you know or you can he was pushing for me to leave Fault Lines on there because it is a good song, as he said. I mean, only just now nine months later, interestingly enough have I returned to having normal periods. Yeah, I can do an excerpt. Its no fun but well be alright.. "Through a sunset, shifting gears, to the something better shining diamond clear.". You can call it serious trouble cause thats what I want. You dont see a lot of men speaking up, and every voice is helpful. Shires would go on to make a name for herself, both as a solo artist and as the founder of the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. Rock & roll kids just let decisions make themselves. As they talked, Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. I still miss the way you lean in. It is not trapped in your throat. Home to the Grand Ole Opry from 1943-1974, the Ryman earned the moniker \"Mother Church of Country Music\" as the genres of country and bluegrass developed on its stage and found a national audience on radio and television. Thank you for your songs. And I save them all and I return to them often I own one of his guitars My whole left arm is tattoos of Leonard Cohen I really do feel like he did a lot of work for me that I dont have to do. And we met. GROSS: Well, would you play Take It Like A Man for us? Well be right back. Her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. Isbell took a stand, even facing backlash from his fellow artists. You can just say Im crazy. Amanda Shires. Amanda Shires (born March 5, 1982) is an American singer-songwriter and violin player. She has performed as a member of the Texas Playboys, Thrift Store Cowboys and Jason Isbell & the 400 Unit, as well as in a duo with Rod Picott. Shires has released six solo albums, her most recent To The Sunset on the Silver Knife label in 2018. SHIRES: (Singing) Trying not to think of names. And she was also holding down a day job as a single mom. I also received responses from trolls. It was there I found, beside the Alamo, enchantment, strange as the blue up above. SHIRES: My whole left arm is tattoos of Leonard Cohen. Members get extended access to PBS video on demand and more. She has a big conscience, a big heart. GROSS: Oh, thats great. I dont have certain kinds of fatigue. So lets do that. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. So either you have surgery or I think you die. Its you, Brandi Carlile, Natalie Hemby, Maren Morris. AMANDA SHIRES AND JASON ISBELL: (Singing) Everythings going to be OK. Its going to be all right. As Delta Variant Spreads, Artists and Venues Scramble to Keep Concerts Safe (Rolling Stone), Live Nation Allows Artists to Require Vaccination or Proof of Negative Test Result for U.S. Concerts (Variety), This is a BETA experience. When I wrote my first piece for Rolling Stone, Id had an abortion before. And so I got to do that basically because I was willing to work in a group and play a part and do just that thing and show up on time. Lets get back to my interview with singer-songwriter and musician Amanda Shires. All the time, the want, the overwhelming volume of breathing. And I said, thats all you have to say? And sometimes Tommy would show me stuff on guitar, like a melody to play, and then see if I could memorize it or retain it or whatever. Amanda Shires opens her new album To the Sunset with a strikingly different scenario. Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, well talk about the power, promise and potential harm of YouTube. And then and the words are amazing and always brought me a smile. But I did move a couple of times out of the house, not because it was a leaving thing, but because I didnt want to do anything that would harm, you know, make it worse. So did you ever visit her at work? SHIRES: She did. When Roe is overturned, some healthcare workers may feel afraid to help people. Thank you for doing the interview. It took me a minute to really learn how to improvise, Shires says of those early years. / And the fear that I feel when I see my features reversed in my own daughter's face." ISBELL: (Singing) Im on your side. And how did you figure out what you wanted your point of view to be, you know, like, who the song would be about? This is FRESH AIR. GROSS: Well, I want to take a short break here. GROSS: I think its so interesting that your mother worked as a bail bondsman, not knowing that her own father had spent so much time in prison. And I am still alive. Recognition has been building steadily; he won Song of the Year at the 2012 Americana Honors and Awards at the Ryman Auditorium last September for Alabama Pines. He calls his superb backing band the 400 Unit, after the psychiatric ward of a hospital near Muscle Shoals, the part of the state where he grew up. And I know that he feels the same way I do. GROSS: Your mother earlier in her life worked as a bail bondsman, right? In 2017, for her solo work, she was named emerging artist of the year at the Americana Music & Honors Awards ceremony. Grammy Award-winning songwriter Amanda Shires and bestselling author George Saunders discuss inspiration, songwriting, and Amanda's new song, "You Don't Get to Go." SHIRES: Well, myself and Brandi wrote the song. And after we recorded it, he said, Thats a really good song. And I said, Thats all you have to say. Amy Salit and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. And her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back after a short break. Copyright 2023 Penske Business Media, LLC. So when you started taking lessons with Frankie McWhorter and then became part of the band, how much did you know about Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys? Wills was the father of western swing. Just admit Im what you want. Shires plays fiddle in her husband Jason Isbells band, Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit. When we overturn Roe, we risk going back to, Oh, now same-sex marriages cant happen. I dont care if somebody wants to put a target on me. And I was really into that. And I dont know. And I was like, my granddad was in Alcatraz? Well definitely get to your verse, which is the second one. A few hours later, his band is peeling the wallpaper with their customary encore cover tune. Shires has an MFA in poetry, and she's exacting in her use of imagery to portray sensuality as a force both internal and physical. Here's why. Sign up for Rolling Stones Newsletter. And for a lot of folks, that can be the most boring part of the three-part string ensemble thing. Cancelling shows feels awful, I know. Jason Isbell performs in Gulf Shores, Alabama. And tell us how. SHIRES: (Singing) Im scared to even say the truth. She makes the decision before it gets to the point where she makes a mistake, and I like that. SHIRES: About singing, yes. Curled up on the floor with it all. I mean, many songwriters would say, oh, theyre not about me. She co-founded the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. SHIRES: Ive listened to all of his records. And he married my grandmother. GROSS: Without him asking? (Playing fiddle). She sings of the excruciating awareness of both mirroring and superseding her own mother. Too caught up in the way I want you rolling over me. What happened between now and then? Shes also one of the founders of the group The Highwomen. And I said, OK, well, Ill be the healer. It took Dave Cobb and it took Brandi and then it took Natalie [Hemby] and Maren Morris. We just couldnt get along. "Maybe it was circumstance, but I saw my chance and I took it," she boasts, her tone fuzzed-out by distortion. And Natalie said, I want the one about preaching. And I also want to thank Zack Sedgefield for playing guitar and also Diana Walsh, who engineered your end of the music and the conversation from your home studio in well, outside of Nashville. During "Break Out the Champagne," Shires wryly relates an account of a female friend who was dumped by a dullard, only to realize that he'd never really satisfied her anyway: "I'm rock and rock and roll, and you're golf." Isbell said everyone attending the bands shows would also be required to wear a mask. And I was trying to sing that song A Little Walk With You (ph). GROSS: Lets take another break here. Then I get to the end of the recording process and try to decide what makes the best collection of songs. I remember I used to think the force was strong with him, says Tompkins, who signed his first publishing deal when he moved to Nashville at 22. And Empty Cups wasnt even the hardest one for me to put on there. For the past decade or so, Amanda Shires has sung about the dark shades of relationships lapsed communication, broken trust, fading intimacy with a devastating eye for detail. On August 9, 2021 SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. And I kept imagining, like, how I had nothing left to give and nothing I could do or say to make anything feel right, like, within me somehow. We found out that, yes, our grandmothers are pro-choice. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. If youre just joining us, my guest is Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. This is FRESH AIR. And then I thought about Waylon and Kris and them of The Highwaymen, and I was like, they were kind of speaking about ageism. And here it sits. The 200 Greatest Singers of All Time If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer, musician Amanda Shires. Shires, an incisive songwriter and solo artist and occasional member of husband Jason Isbells 400 Unit band, has been vocal about protecting a womans right to choose in the past. feeling fine but well have to cancel the next few shows, He then shared his symptoms and expressed his gratitude for getting vaccinated: Lotta sinus drainage type stuff, scratchy in my throat and some muscle aches but no cough or breathing issues fyi. In "Leave It Alone," a song introduced by a brittle, programmed loop and a jangly, arpeggiated guitar figure, she elegantly describes exploring a new lover's body: "Hands find the places where they've never been, to know for themselves new surfaces / And mine, they've got a mind of their own / I can't leave it alone." And then coupled with the pandemic and all that, he was on self-preservation mode, and I was too. I know I can take it like a man. Can you play something that you think kind of epitomizes the style that you learned and fell in love with? And your verse, you are somebody who thinks of herself as a healer but was hung in the gallows during the Salem witch trials. In 2016 I was going on the road. Are they just going to sit around and drink beer? And she would dance a little bit to The Beatles and stuff and started seeing the possibility that she might go into music one day. The Problem wraps up by driving home the weight of the decision for her character. It was Fault Lines.. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. If you want a partner, take my hand or only you want to strike me down in anger, here I stand. And she came over and I showed her. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. My daughter was about a year old, and I was getting into my touring van because I hadnt worked my way into a bus yet. He still cant seem to notice when the dishwashers unloaded and all the dishes are put away. But I had about seven different album sequences going on. And it was a Carrie Underwood song from it was, like, six years before that or something. It makes it feel like youre tough enough for the fight, all the way down to your bones. Amanda Shires was named emerging artist of the year at the 2017 Americana Music and Honors Awards Ceremony. Because once you have a baby, theres no social programming to help. The next year, she won a Grammy for best americana album as part of her husbands group, Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit. Jason Isbell will put his tour on hold after announcing he tested positive with for COVID-19. Jason Isbell, Amanda Shires to Serve as Record Store Days 2023 Ambassadors. Amanda Shires, performing during the Americana Awards at Ryman Auditorium on Sept. 22, 2021 in Nashville. And I remember the first time I sang ever, Leon Rausch had to hold my hand. GROSS: That your Father had spent 25 years in Alcatraz? SHIRES: Thats all you have to say? Will you look at me the same? The Grammy-winning singer, songwriter and guitarist from Green Hill, Ala., made headlines in 2021 for requiring proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative COVID test to attend his concerts. BRANDI CARLILE: (Singing) I was a Highwoman and a mother from my youth. So by the time I went into the hospital, my fallopian tube had already ruptured. He has since learned to tell the story of his recovery. So I started just taking notes on the radio because in 22 songs, [I heard] one womans voice and it was a Carrie Underwood song from six years before that or something. And the character you wrote yourself out to be, the flagship all part of my fooling. Thats the song Faultlines, performed by Amanda Shires with Zach Setchfield on guitar in Amandas home studio outside of Nashville, Tenn. Thats one of the songs on her new album, Take It Like a Man. So lets talk about that song a little bit. And if you want another kind of love, Ill wear a mask for you. I cant see a thing from here. And then, we did it, sing the song. So one of the things you learned, like, I think in the past few years is that your grandfather had spent years in prison. So heres my guest, Amanda Shires, and Jason Isbell singing her song, The Problem.. I didnt believe it. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Our guest will be Mark Bergen, author of the new book Like, Comment, Subscribe in which he reports on how YouTube ushered in a world of abundant content and creativity of influencers and online hustlers, of information overload and endless culture wars. Theyre just songs because everybody goes through troubles in their relationship. Its as opposed to being in the uterus, where it belongs. Then Im like, This is coming out now., Jason Isbell on the Art of the Livestream, Supporting Indie Record Stores, and That Feral Hogs Meme, Devon Gilfillian to Cover Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On' With Jason Isbell, Grace Potter, Jason Isbell Blasts Van Morrison, Covers 'Into the Mystic'. The way she relaxes into low notes on that last line makes it sound far more like an unembarrassed confession than a complaint. GROSS: Whoa. This is FRESH AIR. And I was reading mine. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid, the Alabama-born artist tweeted Tuesday. SHIRES: You want to come to the play the show tomorrow night, too? We found music, and then being in the Shoals area just gave us an early look at all the places music can take you. Ive listened to all of his records. It's not often in country musicor pop music for that matterin which an artist addresses a very personal and sensitive subject like abortion through a song. Im a big, big fan. SHIRES: But I like it because I like to imagine like, if he was alive and I got to play this for him, I would be singing Im your Amanda. Send us a tip using our anonymous form. Lets get back to the interview I recorded last week with singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires. In an interview on MSNBC Monday, Isbell stated the response he has received from people who work at the venues and in the music business has been positive because they understand we could go back to not working at all, adding that smaller venues might not be able to reopen if they go through another round of shutdowns. And I think they probably had conversations that you would, if you were that close to each other, about that stuff and didnt bring it up. Not standing up for folks is not helping and its not right. On August 10, my life was savedthese are some dark days.. Is that right? Its just like you would expect, but theres real, scientific proof for it now. We want to hear it. I know I can take it like a man. People will have to prove that they have been raped. So I was left to the radio choices of sports ball and country top 40 country music. Is there a song that you could play a Leonard Cohen song you could play an excerpt of for us in tribute to him since were both such great fans? Note: NPR's First Listen audio comes down after the album is released. And then I asked Chance, and Chance was like, no, those are real documents. I believe thats when that that became not an option. SHIRES: I didnt know anything about them. The bastards hung me at the Salem gallows hill. 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