After confronting the two, Powell disclosed the information to the congregation. Thats simply not what its for. Therefore, to find justification one must look elseware. Pathetic. You will note that BTBF is premillennial in their statement. At that moment, I saw the beauty of an organic body, loving and supporting one another, through thick and thin. I have had several posts on his site not posted, which is fine, but I really was trying to get his take on issues such as medical or psychological that cause notable behavioral changes. Articles online are a poor substitute for personal contact. "We can never diminish the value of these people as we do lead them through the process of discipline and with the principles of restoration," he said. It's M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. (Eph 3:15). I think this point of view is mistaken. When I read this, I literally felt sick. It occupies just one of nine points in his sermon, and a fraction over one page (out of 24) in the statement. This pattern is so obvious in Scripture youd have to be blind to miss it. I am glad he tackled the slaves, women, and homosexual issue. In my church that sort of understanding of scripture and that sort of argumentation, whether right or wrong, has now led to issues about celebration of gay marriage in the church, and the larger anglican communion has put us in time out because TEC took it all further than they wanted to go. This needs to be corrected immediately. We were all stunned at his insistence on doing the right thing, even though, superficially, it did appear that the church leadership had responded appropriately. Association of Related Churches I am obligated to submit to the cop, but the cops life is not worth more than mine. Wow! Thats simply not what its for. The challenge this church faced began in the summer of 1993 when a recent Dallas Theological Seminary graduate, JoAnn Hummel, joined the staff as "Pastor" at Bent Tree Bible Church. I was surprised to find myself crying as I listened. Grief and mourning are different. Take a lookand learn more about God's abundant grace and love for you! To rebuke feminism/egalitarianism is an act of faiththough the world laughs, those who walk by faith will be vindicated in the end. I felt really upset but told her and her husband to deal with thisconcern with Pete and the elders. There are people who dont understand no matter how much I try to explain it to them. UmmmmmWilliam Sloane Coffin, Jr. and other members of the Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam come to mind. Skip to main content Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. You believe in authority; we all do. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton has also used public church discipline. Suddenly, Pete sat bolt upright in his chair, held both his hands up and said something to the effect of I get it! Thank you for your kind words Dee. I could count on two fifths of one hand the number of women Im aware of* who have started cults, compared to well, the Duggar family doesnt have enough fingers and toes among themselves to count the number of well-known cults started by men. Curled bottom leaves can mean too much water and curled top leaves can mean too much sun. Just a thought. as if its insupportable (as Mr. Darcy might say). This became a huge cause for concern for some men in the SBC and we see a trajectory of them embracing such academic teaching as George Knight and his submussive Christian roles for women. I know you are not doing that. before and it is sick. Authority is responsibility in Gods economy. It is vulgar and emotional; but it is kind and generous, active, wide-awake and progressive. Can a true Christian lack assurance of salvation? Appreciate you Dr. Burk. Ill let you have the last word on the points you raise, aside from your final paragraph. Then Pete helps them put together a life plan to get there. When it comes to taking your Bible seriously, since egalitarians have researched the Bible so much that it seems to me that they take it very seriously. Nonsense. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Thats what I think. That is why I fight so hard against the nonsense that we writeabout on this blog. To think that Gods word requires an update is to ultimately impugn God; His knowledge and His foresight. You can read about them at their website, in 2010, Jill and Stuart participated in a book called, "Will the SBC Be Able to Continue to Fund Costly Yet Necessary Sex Abuse Reform in a Transparent Fashion?" Beautiful The grace of God in action. Yes, that was first book I read after getting on the Internet, ordered it, devoured it. I asked one of the women why they didnt let women speak and she said because women are so easily deceived and the start of so many cults. As someone who has changed my view on women in church leadership during the past few years, my heart REJOICES to hear of godly men seeking and digging into the word of God and using their minds through wisdom to find truth! That trajectory suggests that we might reach an ethical ideal that is better than what is reflected in scripture itself. But we have great teachers who are women and some are included in the Doctors of the Church. Ive found the historical context explanations Wade Burleson has given more helpful. If the person who fell morally in a way that disqualifies them from ministry submits him or herself to the care of the church leadership, then restoration is typically the next focus. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to. J.R.R. Its complicated, depending on the denomination and even more so on the individual church. Mourning is how that grief is expressed outwardly. 1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. . But I believe GOD, being perfect, got version !.0 right the very first time or Hes no more transcendant than Bill Gates. I dont believe that God is a respecter of persons. They talked to them like the young adults they are. It was the opposite, in fact. As Platt puts it The objective of Secret Church is not just to come and learn for one night, but also to take what weve learned and pass it along to others. You can read all about it at http://www.radical.net/secret-church/about. "I have a theory why so many pastors burn out: They start out walking with Jesus but they end up working for Jesus." (Pete Briscoe of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrolton, Texas, recalled hearing from someone at a time when he was depressed) Update: I found a similar saying in Oswald Chambers' devotional My Utmost for His Highest: Thirdly, the article called for a public conversation. I would simply highlight three concerns that I think are salient in this particular case. Briscoe and the elders do not wish to do that. Pastors aren't fake; the struggle is real When a megachurch pastor resigns because he's burned out, or because he's experiencing personal problems, critics often rush in to claim that pastors are fake. The Optimized Store Owner Show is an Ecommerce podcast where successful Shopify and CommentSold industry leaders share real life strategies, growth hacks, proven marketing advice, Thank you for sharing this, Dee! Dee and Deb Please keep up your wonderful work And those of you that have been hurtplease keep reaching out God is there He loves you and can be trusted The journey back may take awhile but keep on walking. They did something for me that helped my ministry. I asked one of the women why they didnt let women speak and she said because women are so easily deceived and the start of so many cults and I replied yes, like Jim Jones, J. Smith, Armstrong, Scientology, etc etc etc. It is a lot harder to draw the line, if you even think that should be done, once the slippery slope has begun. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. To respond to your concluding comments, egalitarians do not deny the fatherhood of God. To reject their teaching is to reject the Bible, and because the Bible is literally Gods words, to reject that teaching is to disobey God himself. Also, proof-texting is not very helpful and I find it rather ironic. You guys are the best! There we go, much better. Pete Briscoe and elders, this encourages me to renew prayers for my elders to have hearts to seek the Lord as He leads them by His time and in His plans. So let me make a call for more grace on the part of complementarians. The majority of churches I have been to are so obsessed with social connections, financial status of members and personal competition for power that they embody the WORST stereotypes of Christians that the secular world is familiar with. The distinction is wholly one of authority, but not one of personal worth. I found this quite accidentally and was struck by two things: the replacement of bible content with utilitarianism and your own lack of love for people with whom you disagree by your snarky remarks and condescension (e.g. I know many of the folks at Bent Tree and enjoy them as brethren. Yuck. Here is part ofa post I wrote called Wade Burleson and Pete Briscoe: Two Pastors Who Really Get It. Society cannot function without authority. If there was one thing I thought was a bit weak it was his explanation of 1 Timothy 2, but maybe he was running out of time. I would like to point out one error in your story. This is just another reason why I think it is so dangerous to have a set apart clergy class that we look to- to call out abuse from other pastors or for answers on extremely divisive questions or policies. 9 Common Mistakes Preachers Make and How to Fix Them. I am not going to give a point-by-point rebuttal. I suspect the pain of this must be great for those who harbor integrity within themselves, but bear great love for the community they have known as a family. He now coaches. To this day, my husband and I continue to support them in their ministry even though they are still complementarian because theyget it. And they dont realize they would be so much better off away from the SBC denomination. While not all staff members reach the point of being recommissioned for ministry after a moral failure, some, including the Bent Tree worship leader, do. Before the Internet, that was my excitement when all I had to study was my Bible and my 4 inch thick Strongs Exhaustive Concordance with Lexicon of the King James Version. Thats the logical conclusion from the creation order! . Briscoe and the elders say that they intend to be a "conservative" church that maintains a tenacious commitment to the inerrancy of Scripture. In addition, make sure it has enough filtered bright light. The class was successful and quite well attended. A He-Man Woman-Haters Club NO GURLZ ALLOWED! I just downloaded and havent had time to read it yet. 11). I hope Protestants and Catholics can continue to work towards further unity, as Ive seen done in various efforts during the last 40-50 years. Other than that, what a lovely story. But I would be very interested to know what you feel is problematic about the video. 3:16; 2 Pet. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. I always thought I was too dumb to understand stuff, but now Im learning Im pretty smart. Which also means no girls allowed, either. Pete's teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Through my years there, I heard story after story of the enormousinfluence his mother, as well as his father,had on his life. They were both powerhouses. You should see my first copy of her book. They were building bridges with other inerranitists and the issue of gender was not their focus. Thanks for sharing this, Dee! I have gone to Janet Parshall now three times with links from either you or Eagle. Joe was a janitor at Baylor who would pray for the patients as he cleaned their rooms. I guess Im part of the slippery slope. For the cake-off, they're challenged to provide dog-themed cakes for Flip or Flop host Christina Anstead's dog-pampering party. We are, as reproductive beings, a part of something far greater than ourselves in this work of giving birth to new life. I say all this because the slippery slope argument has no credibility if people are willing to engage in discussing not indoctrinating. Many pastors tend to think that they will spend their whole lives in church ministry and don't think about what comes next. The feel of it is very different from evangelical protestantism even when there are doctrinal similarities on paper about some things. Although I disagree with them, I hope and pray the best for Bent Tree. So yes, you will see the the marketing behind the issue change. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. until they were all dead. BTW, I heard your mom speak at the Just Give Me Jesus event that was held here in Raleigh in 2002. John. I wanted to meet her and did. Some will mourn with tears, silent introspection, or not at all. To enjoy our website, you'll need to enable JavaScript in your web browser. I had rather see people and churches openly look elsewhere and truthfully admit what they are doing than see them distort scripture to make it say what they want it to say. Oh max, now I get it. Bent Tree has had four other successful reconciliations of married couples that had been split by adultery, said the executive pastor, the Rev. But more than that, it helps me think that Denny has some hope for good to come to the whole Church from his efforts. And the dignity of wife if regarded as honorable in that the Lord of Life is her Lord as completely as He is mutually honored by her husband. @ Max: An Appeal to Southern Baptists To Support the Pro-life Cause. What is that?? not too long ago that talked the reason why men need to be leaders is because Jesus chose men. This is a great start! I explain that a public leader's failure deserves a public explanation. A traitor is one who hands over his Bible. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. . http://7aa41354baefb3f610d0-9426158b81c9f57386a468ce77b36d59.r25.cf2.rackcdn.com/uploaded/f/0e5040219_1461257524_future-of-leadership-at-bent-tree.pdf, Furthermore, if the hermeneutical issues are as serious as I have indicated above, then it would be a matter of faithfulness for Christians to contend against such teaching.. Its because of these hypocritical social clubs that it took me nearly a good decade to be able to distinguish the difference between God and humanity. those terms . Did the Apostle Pauls divine task, understanding and directive include women in church leadership? Bent Tree Bible Message from Sunday, 10 January 2016 Title: Part 1: Daniel Intro - January 10, 2016 Series: Behind the Scenes: The Book of Daniel Speaker: Pete Briscoe Notes. Please take a look at these issues as they have been considered by the episcopalians and now the methodists and decide on a long term projection as to where if anywhere you want to draw the line. @ Mara: That is what we are pursuing, he said. Our consciences draw a line as to what we are permitted to do under any authority . Bent Tree now stands on a slippery slope. I read Dr. Burks book Transforming Homosexuality it is about 130 pages long and basically says even the orientation is wrong and needs to be repented of and eventually changed. (corrected copy) or GAWDs Anointed. In WW2 America was allied with Russia against the Axis powers. Some 99 speakers submitted 5-minute videos on topics such as social justice issues, succession, PR nightmares, arrogant staff members, killing a church program, homosexuality, and pastoral obesity, among others. It is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. It reminds me of an illness I had once that left me in terrible muscle pain. Our views are grounded in scripture, as complementarianism is not a valid reading of the Bible. Jim Jones was of course too chicken to actually die as he made other die. It was nothing but a soft sell for patriarchy with Jesus lipstick. For anyone who, like myself, is really mostly ok with remaining unmarried, but who rejects that non-straight orientations are disabilities that need to be cured, finding a place in the conservative evangelical world can be challenging. I believe in freedom of conscious and the rights of churches on these issues. Were very dedicated to accurate interpretation. The bible says certain things about womens activities within the church, things which people say are heavily influenced by the culture of the day. Here is one incident as reported by the Christian Post. The concept that such a move will eventually and inevitably lead to issues with the authority of the Bible seems to indicate that Pastor Duncan doesnt see egalitarian readings as already being a problem. I did not launch any argument agains womens ordination nor for it, but what I did say is that people need to consider where that line of argument leads and be willing to decide based on all the implications. I believe the Bible is infallible. "If it's really as Jesus said by our love that people are going to know we are his followers how are they ever going to see the expression of Jesus king of love if we always sweep the difficult and the hard under the rug.". After a bit more discussion, the recommendation to the church was unanimous that the constitution should be permissive. And the best thing you can do is to prepare yourself so you're not caught unaware," he said. Thank you. Pete, Stuart and Jill Briscoe. One Sunday, Pete was discussing adultery and said that a couple from BTBF would finish the sermon. David Horner never knew what he lost when the church came down on you. For that we are forever grateful. And if I may ask, I wonder if Bent Tree and Pete could recommend a place of worship in my neck of the woods? Ive been waiting just about the same amount of time. It is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Did the Apostle Paul have a certain mind-set that Christians everywhere are wise to emulate? This should strike fear into the heart of the 9 Marx crowd. @ frieda: We had been so grateful for his response but he wanted to admit it publicly. But the 12 Apostles Were All Male Ben, my own Church understands complementarian roles as mutual service to one another out of love, not because of the authority of one person over another subordinate. However, with a threat that the state convention would take away our building, the church voted, narrowly, to retain the men only provision. Learn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Simply disgusting. Which is part of why I am currently attending a much more liberal church than I would otherwise be inclined to attend. When did Pete Briscoe leave Bent Tree? What about people who are not married, either straight or LGBTQ who admit that they are sexually active. . Therefore, love for God, the gospel, and future generations, demands the careful presentation and pressing of the complementarian position. Looks good to an undiscerning audience trying to weave it all together, but it results in outright disobedience of clear biblical commands. Dismiss women, because the culture is too liberal. He moved in with his sweetie on the side. Joanne Hummel is now the pastor of the Carrollton campus. The real question is *how* the sexes complement one another. So why the double standards? I have been wanting to writethis post for a long while but I have waited until Bent Tree Bible Fellowship (BTBF) and Pete Briscoemade the decision to go forward with publicly declaring that they would have women as elders. I have never understood making the literal Word more important that the Spirit behind the Word. I have never forgotten that. It is no desire for power or tradition for traditions sake. You are talking about a huge number affected by all of this teaching, and to so restrict that group because somehow (for no reason I have really seen, what have I to do with a man who wants to be transsexual??? (972) 248-6400. www.benttree.org. Its complicated, depending on the denomination and even more so on the individual church. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Good to hear at least one evangelical church exists with courageous pastors willing to confront in cases of adultery. What helped her in that process was Briscoe's care. The Word was made for men and women, not men and women for the Word. How about non-celibate but married LGBTQ people? This material may be protected by copyright law (Title 17 U.S. Code). Speaker: Pete Briscoe Notes. The historic position of the church has been the equality of all Christians before God as His divine children but distinctiveness in the sexes as to the divine roles. As human beings, priests and laity are equal before God. Wow. Those are the home runs. Church Discipline Jill Briscoe teaches eight biblical keys to a healthy, life-giving marriage. Putting their names in the candidate pool, a call came one day from Pete Briscoe, senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX. That makes it hard sometimes for me to understand your views of complimentarian roles, and I am grateful for your comment, as it helps give some insight into the differences and the similarities that exist and must be recognized and respected by those of my faith as something meaningful to you. http://juniaproject.com/but-twelve-apostles-all-male/, Pingback: When Men Slide Over | Jackie Always Unplugged. I would like to point out one error in your story. This was the same conference where these same people who turned their backs on Jill Briscoe succeeded in having Ann Lotz cancel her speaking engagement at this same conference. Be comforted. The thinking goes like this: the first proposed Civil Rights Act gave more freedom and equality to black women than white women had in some areas. Some gay kids were in my youth group, and this was known, although Im describing a time before gay teenage activism. Some day in the distant future Dee will read email from me BEFORE reading the blog comments. Now let me say, however, that when a church starts deciding who can and who cannot be ordained to Holy Orders including the diaconate there is a slippery slope to be considered. And an egalitarian reading of St Paul has nothing to do with denying his teaching or rejecting the authority and inerrancy of Scripture. . There is much more that can and should be said about this, but I will end here. I just got off the phone with someone who got in and emailed me the link. We were attending a large leadership meeting at the church. Especially when people with no sense at all apply it to 14 year olds. Tim Harkins. 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